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Guns N’ Roses
Chinese Democracy (Geffen/Universal)

After 14 years at 14 studios with five producers for a cost of almost $14 million, numerous relationships and various label jobs, the big question concerning Chinese Democracy remains, Was it all worth it? Of course not.

Chinese Democracy isn’t a great rock ’n’ roll record. It isn’t even a great Guns N’ Roses record. Without Slash and Duff McKagan, it’s more of an homage to the Guns N’ Roses sound by a tribute band fronted by Axl Rose. Admittedly, guitarist Buckethead can solo his ass off and the rest of the hired Guns can definitely play, but that sleazy Sunset Strip swagger is gone for good.

For all the wank and bluster throughout the album’s 14 tracks, the bottom line is that the shit simply doesn’t rock. Years from now, you’ll still hear pimply faced teens in guitar stores struggling through the changes of Paradise City and Sweet Child O’ Mine, but don’t count on hearing I.R.S. or Riad N’ The Bedouins.

Top track: Chinese Democracy

NOW | November 26-December 3, 2008 | VOL 28 NO 13
Copyright 2009 NOW Communications
Comments
Posted by Goon on 11/28/2008, 09:44 AM
Aging douchebag Tim Perlich is old enough to remember GNR's early days, and I'm betting he hated them then too. Why hand Mr. Snob this album? Perlich is a dinosaur whose column needs to go extinct.

Posted by teddy on 11/28/2008, 10:20 AM
I've been to some shows where Tim said it was packed and there were 5 people in the audience, what an honest journalist...

Posted by Darius on 11/29/2008, 02:27 PM
Hey Tim,

You ever here of Use Your Illusion? That's what this is an extension of. That's when Axl starting taking the band in his direction, away from the sunset strip swagger and into the epic stadium sound. That's what people can expect here - and for what it is, it is surprisingly good. Does it meet the 14 years of 'hype'? Well actually yes, because the decade long wait only lowered people's expectations. And forced to choose, I think many of us would choose Axl's 'reformed' Guns N' Roses over Velvet Revolver.

Now let's move on to the *real problem*. It's you, Tim Perlich. Your reviews are always heavily biased, generally unfair, and always skewed. The most obvious comparison would be to have a music critic, who despises Scandinavian black metal, reviewing a black metal album. Obviously the critic is going to hate the album.. but that's not reviewers are reading your review for. You're no Roger fuckin' Ebert. You're not a personality that people care about. People read reviews in Now, Eye Weekly, Rolling Stone, etc, etc... to get a sense of what the album represents, in the sense of a 'should I buy this or not' mentality. You even admitted your bias when you revealed that all you wanted is this album to sound like Appetite for Destruction. In fact, you revealed nothing about what people can expect in this album - for better or for worse. The only thing that you revealed is that you don't like this album.

To sum it up, you have a bitter attitude towards new music (this is only based on practically every review that you write) and I fail to see why you continue to write. I also fail to see why Now keeps you around. Maybe you guys can let me know, because I know that they are *a lot* of people who feel the same way I do.

D.

Posted by Goon on 11/30/2008, 01:40 AM
Darius, Perlich especially showed his bias when in this review he wrote "Of course not"... well then why write the review at all if it was such a given, why even skim it Tim? Apparently it was a foregone conclusion and we all wasted minutes of our precious life even reading it. Thanks!

Tim only keeps writing for NOW so he can continue promoting records nobody has or ever will hear in the hopes some poor, poor woman someday might confuse obscure taste with an interesting personality.

Posted by Goon on 11/30/2008, 01:43 AM
"The only thing that you revealed is that you don't like this album."

In order for this to be true, Tim would have to have actually listened to it. I'm not so sure he did.

Posted by FAW Q on 11/30/2008, 04:36 PM
Tim's right. This stuff is drivel. I would listen to the Spaghetti Incident over and over before listening to this again. Hell I would listen to Celine Dion before this.

If you ever saw the real G'n'F'in"R then you quickly realize how truly shitty this stuff is. It's overproduced crap that will sound like garbage live.

Axl thought he was the heart of G'n'R but it was always Izzy who wrote their best songs.

Posted by Anisa on 12/01/2008, 09:14 AM
Dudes, whether or not you like Tim Perlich, this album still blows. Get a grip.

Posted by Elephant on 12/02/2008, 09:35 AM
Chinese Democracy is a good album. Not a masterpiece, not a classic, but certainly not a failure either. True, it doesn't attempt to sound 'fashionable' (the obesssion of most music critics), and it's certainly very different to Appetite for Destruction, but if you think this it 'doesn't rock', I would question whether you know what rock really is. An open minded person would look beyond Slash's absence and Axl's tedious self-obession and ask 'is this music any good?' And you know what? It's much better than I expected.

Posted by jaypix on 12/02/2008, 04:19 PM
I bought it on a lark - a novelty - stopped being a fan when Izzy left. Guess what? This album is great, produced to the hilt but not overproduced. It's the biggest album I've heard in 25 years. Chinese Democracy is a triumph for W. Axl Rose et al. And two interesting thanks from Axl in the credits. 1 to Bubbles and Trailer Park Boys (remember their Axl reference in last year's NOW article). 2 to Izzy, the only original member mentioned. Crossing my fingers they kiss and make up because that would take G'N'R to another level.

Posted by rawfish on 12/02/2008, 11:56 PM
"Axl thought he was the heart of G'n'R but it was always Izzy who wrote their best songs."

1991 wants its alternative viewpoint back.

Posted by Ben on 12/03/2008, 11:29 AM
Yet another useless review by Sir Perlich, the most arrogant gasbag the music journalism industry has ever seen.

Negative reviews are fine, as long as they make valid points. Perlich is incapable of doing this and this review is another shining example. Should reviews focus on the album itself rather than the circumstances behind it? Dumb-arse.

Posted by Corey on 12/03/2008, 01:58 PM
There are hundreds of interesting words to say about "Chinese Democracy", and Chuck Klosterman has said most of them already in his over the top fanboy AV Club review. Example - the vampire voice on "Sorry".

Of course Tim Perlich said none of the interesting things Klosterman did, filling space with the obvious - that its been a very long wait, none of the classic GNR lineup is involved, and its more "Estranged" than "Nightrain". So to answer last weeks letter writer Magdalene Vasko's query about why NOW cover mainstream albums, when it comes to Perlich the answer is clear: he's a musical idealogue more interested in dissuading buyers than honest criticism.

In some ways its unfair to expect much in a capsule review, but NOW's other reviewers at least make the effort – and actually seem to have listened to the albums they trash. Exclaim have like a 100 thoughtful capsule reviews each month, whats Perlich's excuse?

Listen, I like this album, I'm actually not a big fan of Use Your Illusion and think it should have been condensed into one disc. But I like it when Axl tries to make the over the top epics, and I think if you like the wankier stuff on UYI you'll like this. It is definitely a grower, and if it weren't for me hearing these songs develop as demos over the years maybe an immediate reaction from me to the album would be a lot more like Perlich's. But the disagreement over its quality is not hte point, the point is this album has plenty of fascinating things going on, and Tim can't manage to find them, because he's not really listening. He's just putting in the bare minimum of time required to get away with slapping a bad review on it, hoping people will somehow avoid the album and buy one of his obscure picks.

Its clear from this thread that Perlich has a lot of haters, and even the reviews for albums i agree with him on are pretty terrible. It's an absolute shame he has the special column when it should go to someone far more reasonable and in touch, like Evan Davies or Benjamin Boles.

Bottom line, I don't want to take music recommendations from someone as condescending and douchey as Perlich.

Posted by gnarlk on 12/04/2008, 01:34 AM
perlich is a prick, but GNR has to be one of the most overrated bands of all time and this joke of an album is in no way going to change my mind...

Posted by barmash on 12/05/2008, 07:58 PM
It took Axl 14 years to make the album and all you can write is 2 half paragraphs? Wow. Your lack of caring whether your reviews have any relevance is astonishing. I mean come on, you could at least make it LOOK like you actually care about music. Some of the comments are longer than your review! You cannot review an album in a paragraph, unless, that is, that you only listen to singles on your ipod. Chinese democracy is no appetite, but it isn't as bad as one of your reviews either. Go eat a turd sandwich, you giant dinosaur poop peanut.

Posted by digpop on 12/08/2008, 07:49 AM
As indifferent as I am to much of the new GnR (a couple of tunes float my boat), I'm amazed at the attention paid to Mr. Perlich as any kind of authority. Those who have gone to shows and have seen Mr. Perlich in attendance have no doubt seen him nervously clutching the LPs or CDs he owns by bands playing so that he can get them signed (a "collector", by golly!) and his mousy rapport with them - not unlike a Dungeons and Dragons enthusiast that compensates by owning the Slayer catalogue. Perlich's reviews have always served as an outlet with the goal of being "invited to the party" because he just might know something that you don't (hence his over-the-top enthusiasm for all things obscure). For me, this eventually became "comedy", especially when he seemed to end every other review/article in the early 90's with "by the way, I hate J. Mascis".

Although he's become something of a "sacred cow" (hey, we HAVE ignored him and he still won't go away!) at NOW, there's still the option of paying the lad no mind. Rock Critic as Celebrity is about as valid as DJ as Artist (insert shocked talk-show audience here...."whoooooooooooaaaaaaa").

Love yer rock and roll.

Posted by Dylan on 12/08/2008, 11:55 AM
What do you expect? Unless there is some lame indie musician fronting the band who also happens to b ea close buddy, Tim Perlich will not endorse it. Even if Axl did manage to capture The "Sunset strip Swagger" he'd criticize him for not growing up at all.

That has sadly been his MO since I started scoffing at his horrible journalistic abilities. Get over it, and stop being so bitter Tim, and while you are at it, maybe you should pay attention to some of the great bands in TORONTO...bands should not have to be friends with you or your minion Sarah in order to get noticed. It is music, not a high school dance, where you hope the cool guy or girl will dance with you. Stop slurping Broken Social Scene and all the other lame art rock and do you job!

Posted by Goon on 12/08/2008, 12:24 PM
One of the most, if not the most, commented story currently on NOW and the last issues letters section paid it no mind. Maybe you're on to something Dylan, I guess Perlich is a sacred cow, he must have naked pics of the editors or something because something is keeping him afloat and I have no idea what it could be.

Posted by Ian on 12/11/2008, 08:58 AM
The only thing funnier than this album itself is the legions of fans willing to defend this turd that Axl Rose spent 17 years polishing.

And yeah ... no guitar store classics like "Night Train", "Welcome To The Jungle" or "Sweet Child of Mine" ... so good call, Tim Perlich. Come to think of it, aside from the lead on "November Rain" there weren't really any great riffs on either of the "Use Your Illusion" discs, so I guess this shouldn't exactly be a shock ...

Face it people, G&R made one great album, and then were basically done. That's fine, enjoy them for what they did ... let it die. Axl's voice is still a unique sonic weapon, but until he finds some real collaborators I don't think his output will amount to much.

Posted by Goon on 12/11/2008, 10:37 AM
where I'm concerned Ian, is that Perlich shows no effort and shouldn't be handed albums he has no intention of actually reviewing. When you have a major release like this with so much story behind it, and you still can't deliver, its a massive expose of just how bad Tim actually is.

And he did it again this week. Look at his Akon review and tell me that actually merited print, I dare you.

Posted by Ian on 12/11/2008, 11:05 AM
Well - actually I think 2 paragraphs after 17 years of hype is kind of poetic justice really --- the ink should go to an artist that deserves it, not the most bloated release of all time. I frankly hope that NOW shows the same restraint when Michael Jackson puts out his next comeback album in 5 years or so. So --- can't fault him there, sorry. As for AKON I am not familiar with his work so I can't take the bait on that one. You may have some points re: Tim Perlich's overall merit as a critic but I don't think he was offbase here at all.

Posted by Goon on 12/11/2008, 11:19 AM
"Well - actually I think 2 paragraphs after 17 years of hype is kind of poetic justice really"

if all Tim was going to state what anyone could know without hearing the record, they shouldn't have wasted space on it at all. If 'poetic justice' is an issue, ignoring the album entirely as a non-event would be more of a statement. I think Tim figures he has to throw his 2 cents in lest someone out there think he spends time with GNR instead of some vinyl rerelease of indian elephants playing snare drums with their tusks.

Posted by amarinder on 12/18/2008, 04:44 PM
chinese democracy is a load of balls but this review has a very very strong hint of "didnt bother to listen" about it

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