THE FUTURE SOUND OF TORONTO Featuring Egyptrixx, Syntonics, Sta, Loe tech, Autoerotique, Mansion, Pilotpriest and TMDP at Circa (126 John), Friday (January 30), 10 pm. $15. circatoronto.com.
Cover Story

The future sound of Toronto
Done with dancing to other DJs’ beats, a new wave of local producers are about to crash the party

Toronto is finally poised to make the transition from being a great town to party in to being the town that provides the soundtrack for the rest of the world to party to.

DJs all over the planet have noticed there’s something going on here, and it’s high time we recognized this ourselves. 

So writing a cover story about a local up-and-coming dance producer, someone on the verge of breaking on an international level, was a no-brainer. Except when the list of candidates was tossed around, it was obvious that picking only one wouldn’t do the scene justice. There’s just too much talent here.

Toronto has had a number of club music success stories. Nick Holder, Hatiras, Deadmau5, MSTRKRFT and Moonstarr all come quickly to mind, and that’s not even touching on all the minimal techno and drum ’n’ bass artists who’ve put out quality records. 

But there’s never been such an overwhelming volume of beats coming out of this town before. Still, in many ways, it’s surprising that it took this long for us to get here.

We’ve long had an exceptionally strong club scene, but for whatever reason we’ve always partied to the sounds coming out of other cities rather than trying to forge our own identity.

In the 80s, the Twilight Zone was our respected equivalent of legendary clubs like Chicago’s Warehouse and NYC’s Paradise Garage, and our rave scene in the 90s was one of the biggest in the world. Industry Nightclub was cited by many international DJs as one of their favourite places to play. More recently, the Guvernment and Circa have made a big impression on the global mega-club scene.

On the underground level, you can find a Toronto exemplar for pretty much any niche genre. If you want deep soulful house, promoters like Garage 416 still bring out big crowds after more than a decade; if you want scrappy digital hardcore, you’ve got parties like Embryon. And it’s long been true that lots of international DJs play for bigger crowds here than in their own hometowns.

Despite having so many places to dance, Toronto has never been associated with a particular sound, and likely never will be, thanks to our famously ambiguous, amorphous identity. In the past, that might have held us back, but now that dance music sub-genres are less segregated, there’s finally an opportunity for our crazy-quilt approach to get the attention it deserves.

So we settled not on one artist for our cover story, but 10. The acts we’re spotlighting all have their own sound and influences but aren’t tied closely to any previous established scene. They do, however, often cross paths, and you’ll see many of the same faces in the crowd at each of their gigs, even if Loetech’s throbbing take on dubstep is miles away from Mansion’s upbeat stadium house, and Syntonics’ updated booty bass has little in common with TMDP’s synth disco.

This cross-pollination of scenes and sounds will lead the way for Toronto and the world. The days of trying to emulate the regional genres of other cities are over – people want to dance to a variety of sounds in the course of an evening, and variety is exactly what Toronto excels at.

On that note, here’s who we predict will come out with the next Toronto dance floor anthems. They’re also a reminder to everybody that there’s more to club music than NYC, Ibiza, Berlin, Paris and London. 

To prove the point, we’ve teamed up with Circa to present a party featuring most of our picks, commissioned AD/D’s Mario J to do an exclusive online DJ mix featuring all 10 artists, and you can stream individual tracks online from everyone as well. 

NOW Mix includes:

  1. Nacho Lovers - Acid Life
  2. AutoErotique - Gladiator
  3. MSTKRFT - Bounce ( MANSION Mix)
  4. Hatiras & Jelo - Donkey Punch
  5. Deadmau5 - Ghosts'n'Stuff
  6. Bombaman - Exia V5
  7. Shu Bawng (Edu K. Royale with Cheese Remix featuring SYNTONICS) - BSBTRGCLUB 
  8. STA - Movement
  9. Mansion – STAB
  10. Dev 79 - In Ya Face (Egyptrixx Frightenstein of House RMX)
  11. Vitamins For You – B4U 

See other DJ features and music:

Egyptrixx | Syntonics | Sta | Loetech | AutoErotique | Mansion | Pilotpriest | Nacho Lovers | VitaminsForYou | TMDP

NOW | January 28-February 4, 2009 | VOL 28 NO 22
Copyright 2009 NOW Communications
Comments
Posted by barbi on 01/29/2009, 02:00 AM
That Syntonics track is actually entitled "Shu Bawng (Edu K. Royale with Cheese Remix featuring SYNTONICS)" BY BSBTRGCLUB (MONTREAL GROUP)....

Posted by anonymous on 01/29/2009, 11:21 AM
OK, but where are the rest of the many hard working acts that are NOT part of the "trendy" remix blog scene? Why highlight people who remix top 40 songs and ignore those with original and innovative sounds? Its obvious that you have a personal agenda to make yourself "liked" in this scene, and it shows. Don't want to upset anyone!!! Wow... suck up to the circa crowd much? Calling half of these acts 'the future' for recycling sounds from the past is an insult to the many other artists in Toronto that are not a part of this small clique.

Posted by anonymous on 01/29/2009, 11:35 AM
Hear we go again with the trendy stuff...have we not had anough of circa and the "nu rave" nonsense ?

Where's the style over the substance ?

Bands doing electro projects always need gimmicks to supplement the weka music underneath...there are so many acts here that could have been represented...

And NO, Toronto is not and will never be on the same level as London or Berlin...when crap like Crystal Castles gets to hype level they did, you know we're in trouble...

Posted by anonymous on 01/29/2009, 11:39 AM
Sorry that should have said > "Where's the substance over the style ?

Posted by Andrew on 01/29/2009, 12:10 PM
@Anonymous

Wow, I know I shouldn't bother, there will always be haters.

But really, aren't we being a bit ornery? Your criticism is that its trendy, its at Circa, and its blogged? Where's the support? We're at a pivotal moment in Toronto's club scene moving away from this "nu rave" top 40 side chained indy house that leaves your ears ringing for days. At the foreground of this movement is a group genre agnostic DJs and producers that really bring something fresh to the table (even if its part recycled, what musical form doesn't recycle elements?).

Your criticisms are a bit off the mark, your hate is out dated, we've moved on, hurry and catch up, just don't bring your negativity with you. We've heard it before, its getting tired.

Posted by Deadmouse on 01/29/2009, 01:18 PM
I'm sorry, but if these are the future sounds of Toronto, we're in some serious trouble.

Posted by Acer on 01/29/2009, 01:23 PM
@ deadmouse

im with you! anybody's computer can make these noises. where's the music at? to me it all sounds like bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow. who listens to this stuff and is inspired? it inspires me to do drugs and go to the club. this music will NOT stand the test of time. i bet next year, you wont even know who these people are

Posted by freak on 01/29/2009, 01:51 PM
"I'm sorry, but if these are the future sounds of Toronto, we're in some serious trouble."

AGREED.

now should be doing some more research.

where is alias on that list? where are the fuk house guys on that list? plus a shit load of others..

wake up now

Posted by NOIZE on 01/29/2009, 02:20 PM
i think all of these artists are doing a great job...they may not be the best...but they are also not wasting their time...they make music that they love and many of them support other Toronto producers that are not mentioned in this article....how about less hate...and more community in this music scene...

Posted by Anna Von Frances on 01/29/2009, 02:22 PM
Dear total morons who have posted above.

Here's the points you missed 1. More than half that electro top 40 shit is original stupid. i.e. that's barbi's voice on syntonics, a mansion remix of fellow torontonians, msterkrft's bounce with isis from thunderheist singing on it. Deadmau5' ghosts and stuff is original and so is AE gladiator and Mansion's stab. I'm sure there's some Vampire Weekend derivative album that you can eagerly anticipate somewhere, but for chirst's sake, take a listen before you open your mouth big enough for both feet.

2. It's not about being liked in a trendy scene--while you were camping outside the horseshoe for yet another industry laden, mutual masturbation indie-rock fest, the rest of the world started consuming canadian electronica. Saying you're from canada and specifically toronto in electronic music is like saying you were from seattle during that shit grunge era. And p.s., if you knew where canada's money went (easy info to find) in terms of music, you'd know that it goes almost exclusively to support acts that couldn't give a record away outside of canada. Check the list of people who win junos, polaris prizes and headlines festivals like cmw, nxne and pop montreal to see the neo-hippies who are sucking up all the videofact grants with their new age folk. Electronic music IS the Canadian punk rock. It's a scene loved by the world and supported almost exclusively by the people creating it.

3.No one in this industry likes the Nu Rave that is Fridays at CiRCA, but the masses still love it. "the masses" i'm talking about are the same people who got their first taste of dance music through steve aoki, and learned how to party from facebook photo sets. As long as those masses cough cough, the ones that pay to open the doors, are into that boring nu raver shit, the only thing to do is at least help them get to where we are a little faster with some forward thinking music. As a footnote, I would love to hear your suggestion of where else to put that many DJs in toronto? Last I checked Lee's palace was taken with 40 stars concerts.

4. You should be totally ashamed of yourself for shitting all over your hometown peers who are putting themselves out there every day trying to raise the profile of this fantastic city so that idiots like you can eat like kings on the plethora of culture which surrounds you. You're right, we're not Berlin or London or NYC, because those people have enough class to support their own.

I'm sick of Torontonians and Canadians shitting all over their own. NYC would give their left nut to be us right now.

I'm not hiding behind anonymous here, my name is Anna Von Frances and I can be reached through www.pinkmafia.ca

If that's really all you got, then turn that shit up, and keep it coming!

Posted by anonymous on 01/29/2009, 02:24 PM
Andrew- where in gods name do you see "hate" and "no support" in my comment? I have supported the scene for years which is exactly WHY it infuriates me to see a list like this (granted some of those artists deserve to be up there for sure). Im just begging NOW magazine to hire someone else who will actually do the scene some good and present readers with artists who arent all in bed with each other. The scene in toronto is incredibly diverse and talented, and i think readers should know it.

Posted by Anonymouse on 01/29/2009, 02:48 PM
anna von frances, you book these acts all the time. conflict of interest, no? i don't think anybody's necessarily shitting on Toronto, i think it's just specific to this selection of "producers". also, i don't think new york city would agree with your comments. they're in a similar state of drought that we seem to be in right now. i think this article is just rushed. there's an immediacy in this dance scene, where it's not whats "now" its what's "next" and everybody's trying to trump everybody else's knowledge on a genre that even we ourselves are unable to sub-categorize as good or bad, because it's changing so much day to day. who knows if any of these people are going to be around in a year? you don't. so who cares? can't we just enjoy ourselves, be honest with each other, and move on?

Posted by wahhhh on 01/29/2009, 03:29 PM
alias got mentioned, with a bunch of other folks:

http://www.nowtoronto.com/music/story.cfm?content=167031

it's gotta be hard to get it down to this many words.

relax also all these folks are playing out alot, so it makes sense.

Posted by Anna Von Frances on 01/29/2009, 04:13 PM
Dear total morons who have posted above.

Here's the points you missed 1. More than half that electro top 40 shit is original stupid. i.e. that's barbi's voice on syntonics, a mansion remix of fellow torontonians, msterkrft's bounce with isis from thunderheist singing on it. Deadmau5' ghosts and stuff is original and so is AE gladiator and Mansion's stab. I'm sure there's some Vampire Weekend derivative album that you can eagerly anticipate somewhere, but for chirst's sake, take a listen before you open your mouth big enough for both feet.

2. It's not about being liked in a trendy scene--while you were camping outside the horseshoe for yet another industry laden, mutual masturbation indie-rock fest, the rest of the world started consuming canadian electronica. Saying you're from canada and specifically toronto in electronic music is like saying you were from seattle during that shit grunge era. And p.s., if you knew where canada's money went (easy info to find) in terms of music, you'd know that it goes almost exclusively to support acts that couldn't give a record away outside of canada. Check the list of people who win junos, polaris prizes and headlines festivals like cmw, nxne and pop montreal to see the neo-hippies who are sucking up all the videofact grants with their new age folk. Electronic music IS the Canadian punk rock. It's a scene loved by the world and supported almost exclusively by the people creating it.

3.No one in this industry likes the Nu Rave that is Fridays at CiRCA, but the masses still love it. "the masses" i'm talking about are the same people who got their first taste of dance music through steve aoki, and learned how to party from facebook photo sets. As long as those masses cough cough, the ones that pay to open the doors, are into that boring nu raver shit, the only thing to do is at least help them get to where we are a little faster with some forward thinking music. As a footnote, I would love to hear your suggestion of where else to put that many DJs in toronto? Last I checked Lee's palace was taken with 40 stars concerts.

4. You should be totally ashamed of yourself for shitting all over your hometown peers who are putting themselves out there every day trying to raise the profile of this fantastic city so that idiots like you can eat like kings on the plethora of culture which surrounds you. You're right, we're not Berlin or London or NYC, because those people have enough class to support their own.

I'm sick of Torontonians and Canadians shitting all over their own. NYC would give their left nut to be us right now.

I'm not hiding behind anonymous here, my name is Anna Von Frances and I can be reached through www.pinkmafia.ca

If that's really all you got, then turn that shit up, and keep it coming!

Posted by MARK G on 01/29/2009, 04:59 PM
Oh god. Where is the love people?

Anna speaks the truth. Like it or not. You really should be ashamed. It's so ridiculous to hear people OPENLY hating on hard working honest artists.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why there are so many haters. Do your research. If you honestly feel like you want to see someone on this list next year or even six months from now GO BOOK THEM.

Last time i checked it was grinders like Mansion, Autoerotique, and SYNTONICS that were packing clubs.

Haters make me sick. I'm OUT.

MG

Posted by MARK G on 01/29/2009, 05:00 PM
Oh god. Where is the love people?

Anna speaks the truth. Like it or not. You really should be ashamed. It's so ridiculous to hear people OPENLY hating on hard working honest artists.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why there are so many haters. Do your research. If you honestly feel like you want to see someone on this list next year or even six months from now GO BOOK THEM.

Last time i checked it was grinders like Mansion, Autoerotique, and SYNTONICS that were packing clubs.

Haters make me sick. I'm OUT.

MG

Posted by todd on 01/29/2009, 05:15 PM
"The acts we're spotlighting all have their own sound"

no they don't, this is fucking total-shit electro-trance that i don't even want to associate with house music.

"Saying you're from canada and specifically toronto in electronic music is like saying you were from seattle during that shit grunge era"

well put, we'll call it the shit electronica era(who the fuck says electronica anyway). mstrkrft = nrvna ?

Posted by FREAK on 01/29/2009, 05:18 PM
Hi Anna.

"You should be totally ashamed of yourself for shitting all over your hometown peers who are putting themselves out there every day trying to raise the profile of this fantastic city so that idiots like you can eat like kings on the plethora of culture which surrounds you. You're right, we're not Berlin or London or NYC, because those people have enough class to support their own"

Hey just because they are putting themselves out there does not mean the quality of the music is above par. Doesn't matter what city you are in ha;)Granted there ARE a few names in that list that do deserve to be on there.I support my city and the people in it who are actually PUSHING THINGS FORWARD. You are right anna this is not about being liked in a trendy scene this is about pushing quality music and hence the title "the future sound of toronto" no?.. and as we all know the music sets the pace for many things in this city. So when you talk about "original stupid fresh music" there is nothing original about recycled stabs and vocoders. All music is recycled now. It's all about the vibes now. But heh its all subjective right? Just my opinion. But take a seat and talk to many hardworking music makers out there and they will tell you the same thing.

"I'm sick of Torontonians and Canadians shitting all over their own. NYC would give their left nut to be us right now. "

O yeah? last time I checked first hand trouble and bass and multiple promoters in nyc have people in the palms of their hands right now. Lets not make the comparison please.

and wahh.. "alias got mentioned, with a bunch of other folks:"

You are kidding me right? A small blurb ha. Most of those kids have nothing on Darren.

Ok enough ranting. Have fun everyone!

Posted by todd on 01/29/2009, 05:21 PM
"The acts we're spotlighting all have their own sound"

no they don't, this is fucking total-shit electro-trance that i don't even want to associate with house music.

"Saying you're from canada and specifically toronto in electronic music is like saying you were from seattle during that shit grunge era"

well put, we'll call it the shit electronica era(who the fuck says electronica anyway). mstrkrft = nrvna ?

Posted by todd on 01/29/2009, 05:24 PM
"The acts we're spotlighting all have their own sound"

no they don't, this is fucking total-shit electro-trance that i don't even want to associate with house music.

"Saying you're from canada and specifically toronto in electronic music is like saying you were from seattle during that shit grunge era"

well put, we'll call it the shit electronica era(who the fuck says electronica anyway). mstrkrft = nrvna ?

Posted by todd on 01/29/2009, 05:25 PM
"The acts we're spotlighting all have their own sound"

no they don't, this is fucking total-shit electro-trance that i don't even want to associate with house music.

"Saying you're from canada and specifically toronto in electronic music is like saying you were from seattle during that shit grunge era"

well put, we'll call it the shit electronica era(who the fuck says electronica anyway). mstrkrft = nrvna ?

Posted by s on 01/29/2009, 05:30 PM
interesting read this was, regardless of anything.

Posted by s on 01/29/2009, 05:37 PM
interesting read this was, regardless of anything.

Posted by HAHA on 01/29/2009, 05:42 PM
haha Toronto peoples overthinking everything as usual....

we're talkin about club music here.....it will naturally change when the audience changes......djs usually play what the crowd wants......the switch over in sound takes time to change.... we are in the process of gettin into some new shit.....relax

and people shittin on CiRCA has got to stop.....i been to so many amazing nights there.....SO MANY!!!! that place is fuckin dope...

step off!

Posted by MONEY on 01/29/2009, 05:52 PM
"if you knew where canada's money went (easy info to find) in terms of music, you'd know that it goes almost exclusively to support acts that couldn't give a record away outside of canada. Check the list of people who win junos, polaris prizes and headlines festivals like cmw, nxne and pop montreal to see the neo-hippies who are sucking up all the videofact grants with their new age folk."

COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!!!!!! the board who decides on the gov grants is SOOOO OUT OF DATE AND BIASED.....

WHY THE F@CK DOES UNIVERSAL NEED A VIDEOFACT GRANT>!?!?!?

Posted by Jeffrey on 01/29/2009, 06:34 PM
Recycled sounds? Fuck that. There's more original work in these tunes than coming out of most of these stank mouths. Support your city, nuff said.

Posted by Jeffrey on 01/29/2009, 06:35 PM
@ Anna: troof.

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Posted by Medley on 01/29/2009, 09:03 PM
Wow, such backlash. I imagine mostly because of the title of this article... jealously too.

These artist are all putting their work in. I'm glad to see their getting recognition. I'm tired of people complaining about a producer just because they make what's "in style" or "trendy." If you want to please 10,000+ ears, being in style is what it takes. You're not better than anyone else just because you're on a different tip. (although originality is very important) These guys are dope! They deserve a cover story in the local magazine and much, much more.

Posted by Wolverine on 01/29/2009, 09:35 PM
Hey guys. How can one d/l this mix without going through frekin itunes or amazon?

Big up t-dot, peace!

Posted by JREX THE DECKS on 01/29/2009, 10:50 PM
what's this article all about?

its about toronto putting its best foot forward in the world of dance/club music. being as that we're talking about music, let's keep in mind that music is a subjective.

considering the title of the article, it is in my opinion,that egyptrixx, is the only act/artist pushing things forward and worth keeping and eye and ear on. as for the rest, they're just keepin' up with the status quo.

being trendy or in line with what's currently popular, DOES NOT automatically mean the artist/song is any good (regardless of what town it's from). sure, a track or artist's immediate impact on the masses is a major factor but, only time will tell its true worth. perhaps a follow-up article a year from now would prove most interesting.

i love toronto.

what disappoints me about this town is its bland taste in music.

for all of those quick to slap each other on the back over how great the scene is--get over yourselves! you know who i'm talking about--clueless club/lounge/hotel owners who only care about the money (can't blame 'em, they're business folks) and the promoters who always seem to use the same old acts (local and international) over and over. their lack of imagination and good taste are killing the scene. "ya, you used to be cool, but now you're just chasin' paper"

it takes a big set of balls to call yourself THE FUTURE SOUND OF TORONTO, thankfully, I'VE GOT 'EM!

ENJOY!

THE FUTURE SOUND OF TORONTO VOL.7

http://download.yousendit.com/9FB8A9294188012B

Posted by JREX THE DECKS on 01/29/2009, 10:52 PM
ps. Mario J, that is one S#%T mix!

Posted by brolin on 01/30/2009, 02:16 AM
got to love them haters. get over YOUR selves. You have a better round up than this? As in, acts that produce and get out weekly to push their sound (who aren't already internationally recognized)? No, you don't. Cause if you participated, you'd know these are the groups that push. Sure, you won't love every track, and sure, it's not all instantly gratifying. But these are the individuals producing sounds to be consumed, in the same city. Nobody is saying they're the best, but they're certainly doing a commendable job. I can't help but wonder if the "total morons" in this thread actually get out, or have any idea what the fuck they're actually talking about. 15 year old shit heads. Even if your 25 or 35, your still a 15 year old shit head. get out more, shit heads. I think checking in a year later on these acts is a great idea. Even if one of them succeeds, its just as good as the whole, because they're all doing their own thing.

Posted by todd on 01/30/2009, 02:48 AM
pushing a sound, getting out weekly, getting government grants, supporting your city, "trying to raise the profile", doing a commendable job.

yeah, we're fucking shit.

Posted by todd on 01/30/2009, 03:05 AM
pushing a sound, getting out weekly, getting government grants, supporting your city, "trying to raise the profile", doing a commendable job.

yeah, we're fucking shit.

Posted by Bombaman on 01/30/2009, 11:51 AM
i don't think any of the haters can comment on shit cuz all the artists only have one play in the little player thingies...

as usual, toronto making itself look retarded...

i love this city but i hate the scene(s)

Posted by anny onimous on 01/30/2009, 11:52 AM
I've been making music/djing for years out of this city and have had the benefit of similar styled articles in the past. Kudos to whoever made it, they didn't ask to be selected and definitely put some amount of work in to getting in the position of even being considered for it. But this is indicative of where the bar/club scene here has gone in the last few years. To hell...

I think NoW completely missed in their selections. This isn't the future sound, this is the sound of the last 4 years. I'm listening to this mix, and after many years of hearing tracks totaling into the ridiculous - i've heard these songs too many times before. Nothing inspiring at all...

Who cares anyway, the media is not exactly a barometer of what is going on. Just support what you like and don't bother with it...

Btw Toronto has had a sound for dance music, there was a lot of house from Toronto in the later 90s (Industry era) that as seen as unique to these parts.

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 11:57 AM
THIS.IS.SO.SAD.

This was the future sound 2 years ago . . . maybe. Are you kidding me? This makes Toronto look bad.

Egyptrixx is the only one doing anything forward thinking from this group of artists.

I guess even though your music blows, as long as you know the right people you'll get your shit pushed.

WOW!

LAME!!!

Posted by anny onimous on 01/30/2009, 12:00 PM
I've been making music/djing for years out of this city and have had the benefit of similar styled articles in the past. Kudos to whoever made it, they didn't ask to be selected and definitely put some amount of work in to getting in the position of even being considered for it. But this is indicative of where the bar/club scene here has gone in the last few years. To hell...

I think NoW completely missed in their selections. This isn't the future sound, this is the sound of the last 4 years. I'm listening to this mix, and after many years of hearing tracks totaling into the ridiculous - i've heard these songs too many times before. Nothing inspiring at all...

Who cares anyway, the media is not exactly a barometer of what is going on. Just support what you like and don't bother with it...

Btw Toronto has had a sound for dance music, there was a lot of house from Toronto in the later 90s (Industry era) that as seen as unique to these parts.

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 12:08 PM
THIS.IS.SO.SAD.

This was the future sound 2 years ago . . . maybe. Are you kidding me? This makes Toronto look bad.

Egyptrixx is the only one doing anything forward thinking from this group of artists.

I guess even though your music blows, as long as you know the right people you'll get your shit pushed.

WOW!

LAME!!!

Posted by Anny O. Nymus on 01/30/2009, 12:20 PM
It should be pretty obvious to anyone that if you have something cutting edge happening, Boles isn't gonna know about it until a dozen copycats come along years too late, tap him on the head to wake him up, put a pen in his hand and voila,...the article.

A stale companion piece to the Hipster article.

Posted by Anny O. Nymus on 01/30/2009, 12:22 PM
It should be pretty obvious to anyone that if you have something cutting edge happening, Boles isn't gonna know about it until a dozen copycats come along years too late, tap him on the head to wake him up, put a pen in his hand and voila,...the article.

A stale companion piece to the Hipster article.

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 12:23 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 12:35 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 01:12 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Dollars and Sense on 01/30/2009, 01:14 PM
http://www.anonymoustipgiver.com/index.htm?getID=456037919

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 01:15 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Dollars and Sense on 01/30/2009, 01:21 PM
http://www.anonymoustipgiver.com/index.htm?getID=456037919

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 01:30 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 01:34 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by chrisNova on 01/30/2009, 01:34 PM
is there a subliminal message in that pizza post??? i think so, its talking to me...........

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 01:37 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 01:37 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 01:45 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Fire Ben Boles on 01/30/2009, 01:49 PM
egyptrixxx is sooo sloppy! Shit. Syntonics? I'd rather hear a cat in a blender! Terrible voice, shit lyrics, messy beats. Sta, bombaman, pilotpriest, loetech and even alias and gingy... Why'd they even get mentioned? They're kids playing on a computer. A few of them have barely even put out any cookie cutter shit. Terrible! Vitamins for you & tmdp? Who are you kidding! Just because you can hook a few synths together doesn't mean you should. Autoerotique/vndlsm... Barely. I'll give you the rest even though there's plenty to say there too. Sad thing is these are actually some of the better/more prominant acts in toronto. But you don't need an article pointing that out.

When will now fire ben boles? Your magazine carries some weight in the scene. He sucks his friends dicks too much. I'm surprised at this actually. With all his repetitive complaining about buzz saw synths... I would expect a bunch of disco acts to be promoted. Maybe some dubstep cause that garbage is cool in the UK... Least he's not as bad as denise benson, promoting her dyke friends like they're music gods cause they're gay and still manage to make music. Damn. This city needs better music reporters if you don't want us to hate so much.

Posted by BARBI on 01/30/2009, 02:04 PM
yeah..what do all you haterz know about making and producing music anyway...for your info..if you guys do your homework..i speak for myself and Cryo...we use hardware and write and perform our own material...and by the way...there's NOTHING trendy about we do...ask the boyz in Detroit about it...AND BY THE WAY....CRYO IS CRYOGENETIC...YOU KNOW WHO THAT IS? THE ONLY CANADIAN PRODUCER THAT'S EVER BEEN SIGNED TO ANY OF DJ GODFATHER'S AND BRIAN GILLESPIE'S (STARSKI) LABELS..TWILIGHT 76 AND DATA BASS...TALK ABOUT REPRESENTING....BOOYAH!

Posted by Bombaman on 01/30/2009, 02:08 PM
how come all the haters don't mention the artists THEY think should have been mentioned? HMMMM??

i sense a fucktonne of jealousy...

if you think some of these artists got in on this article cuz they are insanely popular or are huge friends with the writers or whatever, check your heads.

as one half of LOETECH, i can tell you Toronto has given us VERY little support in the two years we have been "playing on computers" all the records we have put out, and have coming out are from places like the UK, Italy and the US where we seem to have fan bases. Toronto, on the other hand, has shit all over dubstep before it got "trendy" as you people seem to think...however, that is just a generalization of the comments, cuz it's obvious why you crybabies are writing the things you write.

get your heads out of your asses, seriously...there's an enormous, glaring reason why Toronto producers, and Canadian musicians in general leave the country and that reason is right here in this comments section.

there's an old saying "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" and i am not saying we are the be-all-end-all producers in here, but there isn't ANY constructive criticism, just bashing...

pathetic, the lot of you.

to those that support, see you at circa! :)

Posted by Jeffrey on 01/30/2009, 02:36 PM
PARTY! I hope the haters come out they need some hugz.

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 02:45 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 02:48 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 02:51 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by BARBI on 01/30/2009, 02:55 PM
so...what's with all the anonymous posts...show yourselves, haterz..i wanna know who hates us....i'm not afraid of your feeble comments..i've been making music since you all were little children listening to Kid Rock and N sync...you wanna know what i was doing while you were all children...making music...so ...lemme hear the music you make..maybe i'll hate on it too..

Posted by Dollars and Sense on 01/30/2009, 02:57 PM
http://www.anonymoustipgiver.com/index.htm?getID=456037919

Posted by YOUR BOY BRIAN on 01/30/2009, 03:19 PM
to the he/she that mentioned my dude gingy... he wasnt even in the article so why you getting aggy?

dude is the pearl of guangdong. we eat pizza together and i teach him about great pop records cause i'm 45 years older than him. step off or we will do some serious chinese shit to you. it might involve dogs. or it might not.

Posted by cryogenetic on 01/30/2009, 03:19 PM
who are all these "people" that are supposed to be on the list?...i hear so much hating which is fine if you don't like the acts mentioned in the article, but who are all these people that should be on the list? list some acts that you think should be in the article instead of just ranting about this then not mentioning anybody.....

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 03:21 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Jonny on 01/30/2009, 03:27 PM
I don't think the "hate" in here should be directed at the artists at all... some of them do deserve to be there (Syntonics have been at it for YEARS! and Loetech is dope!)and

The problem I have is with the "journalist" and the way this article is written... the fact that it completely ignores so many great artists in this scene that have have had success internationally with NO recognition from NOW ever. "Taking over the world's dancefloor's"... please! Half of these guys haven't even released more than a couple original tunes!! Half of them got known for remixing Pop tunes -- tunes that are ALREADY popular... how is that groundbreaking? Fuck, you have at least 2 acts on there that haven't released ANY original music yet (puting a track on a blog or myspace doesnt really qualify as being released ok)

NOW really needs to get someone fresh to write these music articles. The promotion for CIRCA friday's in this magazine has become ridiculous. How more obvious does it have to be that Ben Boles really just wants to feel like he's part of this 'scene'. Its pathetic and poor poor journalism.

If the article just was worded as -- This is the new sound of Circa Friday Nights in Toronto -- instead of The Future of Toronto I think we would all be less insulted.

Posted by Future Sound of Toronto SUCKS! on 01/30/2009, 03:29 PM
Now that i've read some of the comments, it's amazing to see how pathetic and uninformed people in Toronto are about music and the music "scene" here and around the world.

Why do people feel the need to over-hype their friends? This article is not honest at all. Or it's just completely not researched in any way. Or the Toronto music scene is in trouble.

Comparing Toronto to Seattle-era grunge is the most retarded thing I've heard in my life. That's what you think when your brain is fried from doing too much coke. I mean, are you insane? Honestly, are you insane? This group of "Future Sound of Toronto" artists reminds me more of the swing music revival a few years ago, than of the grunge music scene.

Get real.

You think NYC wishes they could be more like the Toronto scene? Please visit NYC.

And there's nothing wrong with making trendy music, and some of it can be good in a mix or played in a club or whatever. But don't call these people groundbreakers or the future sound of anything because they really aren't. It's simply wrong and mis-informed.

Why is Toronto's future sound, the sound of Paris or London 3 years ago?

Posted by Dawg Day on 01/30/2009, 04:41 PM
JONNY OR ANYONE ELSE - who should've been on the cover? tell us some of the international renowned artists ignored by the media? PIZZA!

Posted by datafreq on 01/30/2009, 04:51 PM
As someone who has been in the electronic music scene here in Toronto for almost 20 years, this article made me mad and sad at the same time...

My labels are in Europe...you know why ?

Because (like some who have said the same thing), Toronto has given me almost no support whatsoever.

I had to go to Germany, France and Scandinavia to get stuff played and records released...in fact I've done more gigs in Europe in the past 5 years than I've played here in Toronto in the last 10...I get records released over there because Toronto just doesn't get it. To paraphase some of the stuff that was said, I don't use gimmicks or write songs about "robot sex", or have a band name like *insert pretentious combination of swear words here*, I'm actually dumb enough to do music for the sake of the music.

The scene here doesn't support itself, it's too fractured, and there are too many factions and cliques and not enough alliances.

I guess I shouldn't throw any hate in, but if Crystal Castles are a benchmark, then we've realllllly lowered the bar.

I've seen quite a lot during the past 20 years, and I really miss the Twilight Zone, Lizard Lounge, Bar 23, Diamond, Copa, and Nuts and Bolts era.

Sure, every era has it's good and bad, but I find that too many kids are buying synthesizers, writing mediocre stuff, and gimmicks carry it, instead of the music.

Maybe I'm cynical, perhaps a bit bitter, (or maybe I'm just too OLD LOL) but that's just my .02

Cheers (and remember, the music is what's important!)

Dave

Posted by BARBI on 01/30/2009, 05:08 PM
yo...DATA FREQ IS DOPE!! LOVE YOUR MUSIC!!

Posted by Anny O Moanus on 01/30/2009, 05:27 PM
People are posting anonymously b/c anyone in the industry knows what a loser you look like posting with your real name. You guys should have just absorbed the hate instead of posting on here like some whiny babies who can't take the heat. And Anna Von Whatever, who are you again?

Posted by Anny O Moanus on 01/30/2009, 05:29 PM
ps DataFreq nailed it, a lot of artists here survive off careers in Europe and elsewhere abroad.

Posted by BARBI on 01/30/2009, 05:55 PM
i'm not afraid of people knowing who i am....ANNY O MOANUS...who the fuck are you anyway? and i'm not whining..i just don't like it when people don't do their homework and just blab and hate for the sake of hating...that's your opinion..that's great...at least i have the integrity to stand behind my opinions and not hide behind message boards...

Posted by Anny Moans on 01/30/2009, 06:45 PM
who mentioned you barbie? a little touchy now aren't we? you're talking like you've been around since it all began here, truth be said no one knew your name a few years ago. Homework ... ha

s h u t u p . . .

Posted by Anny Moans on 01/30/2009, 07:03 PM
who mentioned you barbie? a little touchy now aren't we? you're talking like you've been around since it all began here, truth be said no one knew your name a few years ago. Homework ... ha

s h u t u p . . .

Posted by Anny Moans on 01/30/2009, 07:18 PM
who mentioned you barbie? a little touchy now aren't we? you're talking like you've been around since it all began here, truth be said no one knew your name a few years ago. Homework ... ha

s h u t u p . . .

Posted by Pommes on 01/30/2009, 07:51 PM
I'm with Brian here,...quit picking on Chinese homeboys who enjoy a pizza pie together, okay? You are tearing this scene apart with your hatred! ftr, those are empty threats...he doesn't own any dogs, but he would probably eat one at 4am if you put it in a McDonald's takeout bag.

Posted by Pommes on 01/30/2009, 08:14 PM
I'm with Brian here,...quit picking on Chinese homeboys who enjoy a pizza pie together, okay? You are tearing this scene apart with your hatred! ftr, those are empty threats...he doesn't own any dogs, but he would probably eat one at 4am if you put it in a McDonald's takeout bag.

Posted by Katie on 01/30/2009, 08:15 PM
I just think this article is very misrepresentative of our electronic scene in here in Toronto as a whole. This group of artists are all part of one section of all that goes on here (they all play parties together - the article states that)

its articles like this that really make artists bitter toward one another and just divides the scene even further. There is obviously some sore of agenda behind the writers choices.

Why not just discuss 10 cool artists? Why cause all this shit by naming "Toronto's 10 best artists for the Future" -- what gives you the right to make that statement NOW??

Posted by Anny Moans on 01/30/2009, 08:28 PM
who mentioned you barbie? a little touchy now aren't we? you're talking like you've been around since it all began here, truth be said no one knew your name a few years ago. Homework ... ha

s h u t u p . . .

Posted by jyeah on 01/31/2009, 12:45 AM
I just came from Circa, and besides the usual parade of assclowns, the only remotely ORIGINAL performance was from Egyptrixx. every single other act was booooring. I missed Loetech, but walked in to pilotpriest playing a Kanye West remix...REALLY? THATS HOW YOU SHOWCASE "your sound"? avf, I can't wait till your words bite you in the ass one day.

Posted by Brolin on 01/31/2009, 08:47 AM
Great night! loetech, TMDP, mansion! Thanks NOW.

Posted by Justin V on 01/31/2009, 12:21 PM
interesting read, the comments are way more fascinating though. My opinion as a long time partier in T.O. is that house is coming back soon, it always seems to die out for awhile but eventually that's the music that fills clubs in this city (either that or R&B/HipHop) and has done so for over a couple of decades now. Sounds like some of the artists responding here are trying to tell people the way things were or are here but there are other opinions (and fact via history). The music I heard in this mix sounds like what gets played at The Guvernment on a bad day, mainstream and boring. No offence meant to the artists, it's just not really future sounding to my ears and if anything is going to keep the scene growing and alive it's more clubs playing better music than this. Not just clubs that cater to over a thousand people who want to hear chainsaws revving all night. Future?

and Anna Von frances you sound really dumb in your post btw, honestly like someone who just starting throwing parties who knows not much about the music scene past or present.

Posted by parforthecourse on 01/31/2009, 07:32 PM
far be it from anyone to actually support new artists. Even foster their creativity (whether its ready for the public or not). Everyone would rather tear them down before their talent shines. I guess thats the Toronto way of doing things right? Good thing these artists could give nary a fuck less what their home city thinks of them

Posted by DISAPPOINTED on 01/31/2009, 08:28 PM
you people should stop hating..it's really bad karma..

Posted by Feel on 01/31/2009, 11:46 PM
Didn't Now just declare the end of the hipster era? Just saying. How long is it going to be before they declare the end of whatever useless era this is?

Posted by sonnyb on 02/01/2009, 10:37 AM
Where is Joe Rizla?

Posted by jvan on 02/01/2009, 11:30 AM
Why are you people so jealous of all these artists. At least their doing something with themselves instead of sitting at home on this message board.

What's wrong people? Aren't you content with your lives? Must you pick on these hard working artists? Put yourselves in their position. They didn't ask for this article to be published? You must be a pretty miserable person to direct such abuse to such people.

A message to Barbi: You shouldn't let the anonymous idiot bother you. You are doing good things for this city. The Anonymous person really has no clue about your history and i don't expect you have the time for such ignorant people in your very busy life.

Peace

Posted by Proud to be Canadian on 02/01/2009, 11:38 AM
I went to Circa to see what the future holds for Canadian dance music. I'll be honest. All these artists have great potential. I don't really know if most of them were playing their own material but as for the live performances..Tmdp were really good. Syntonics tore the club apart! I'm pretty sure both these live acts were performing their own material and guess what? The audience ate it up! Congratulations and don't listen to what these envious people. They only wish they were you and getting the recognition you deserve!

Posted by wahhhh on 02/01/2009, 11:42 AM
@ Fire Ben Boles, you are an asshole and hope you get fucking curb stomped by some "dyke friends"

Posted by JUNJUN on 02/01/2009, 11:53 AM
Dear Readers both haters and appreciators of Tdot talent,

Circa was packed and alive with youthful colourful young kids! They came out in droves to support their local talent. It was a truly exciting and positive vibe!

To all the haters out there: too bad you weren't part of it. You can sit at home with your boring lives and write on message boards all you like. You can stare at your computers trying to figure out what to do with your lives. Hating isn't going to get you anywhere.

Thank you Now magazine for having the insight to publish an article like this. Toronto artists really need a big push right now. This is a very healthy way to push the scene and have people recognize that we have talent in our own back yard. Kudos to Ben Boles for writing this article. It will be interesting to see what happens to these artists in the next few years. They all seem to have their own vibes going on. Just give them all the time to develop and support them all the way!

Posted by Funnkazzy on 02/01/2009, 12:03 PM
One Word....

...BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Posted by serious question on 02/01/2009, 03:44 PM
hey just wondering, i read the sidebar thing i thought alias was from the US? i am confused he used to do anticon stuff or something?

also, why is there a hatiras & jelo track in the mix...what does they have to do with any of these artists?

Posted by BOOM! on 02/01/2009, 04:54 PM
GO TDOT GO!!

FUCK 'EM HATERZZ Y'ALL!!

Posted by arthur5005 on 02/01/2009, 06:04 PM
I don't know man, the way this article starts is just downright pretentious, if anything Montreal deserves this title WAAY before Toronto could even come close in doing so.

Posted by FREAK on 02/02/2009, 11:26 AM
buahah @ dollars and sense posted video. well that can't all be true is it? serious question: darren is def. from toronto. arthur005. now magazine is a magazine from toronto. why would they write about artists from montreal doofus? and what artists from there are producing on some of the levels our guys are? name them please. besides a few tech house guys and chromeo i dont see much ha

Posted by FREAK on 02/02/2009, 11:36 AM
buahah @ dollars and sense posted video. well that can't all be true is it? serious question: darren is def. from toronto. arthur005. now magazine is a magazine from toronto. why would they write about artists from montreal doofus? and what artists from there are producing on some of the levels our guys are? name them please. besides a few tech house guys and chromeo i dont see much ha

Posted by FREAK on 02/02/2009, 11:52 AM
buahah @ dollars and sense posted video. well that can't all be true is it? serious question: darren is def. from toronto. arthur005. now magazine is a magazine from toronto. why would they write about artists from montreal doofus? and what artists from there are producing on some of the levels our guys are? name them please. besides a few tech house guys and chromeo i dont see much ha

Posted by PILOTPRIEST on 02/02/2009, 12:19 PM
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Posted by blam bam 3001 on 02/02/2009, 12:32 PM
When is the next shoo wop dee loo bop recored coming out???!!!!!!

Anyone know how to play gaytar? I want to learn some riffs and start a band so i can play sneaky dees.

Posted by blam bam 3001 on 02/02/2009, 12:38 PM
I went to Circa on that friday. I liked girls. Nice girls.

I think I saw some girls i knew from high school.

There were people that were cool. But i liked the girls.

Next time im going to wear my see thru mesh shirt with my tight japanese salvage denim and spray my special cologne so i can for sure pick up nice girls at party.

I think i heard a remix of a dance track!!!!!!!

techo blance 2009 partayyyy!!!!

Posted by blam bam 3001 on 02/02/2009, 12:40 PM
I went to Circa on that friday. I liked girls. Nice girls.

I think I saw some girls i knew from high school.

There were people that were cool. But i liked the girls.

Next time im going to wear my see thru mesh shirt with my tight japanese salvage denim and spray my special cologne so i can for sure pick up nice girls at party.

I think i heard a remix of a dance track!!!!!!!

techo blance 2009 partayyyy!!!!

Posted by 320Kbps on 02/02/2009, 12:41 PM
2009 is supposed to be the year of the good attitude. London and Berlin are incredible because the people aren't a bunch of shitty attitude, biased, anonymous message board posters and support all local talent. That is why everyone wants to get the eff out of here and go to Berlin, London ect.

Fools.

Posted by 128kbs on 02/02/2009, 12:43 PM
Hey... so, like, who likes to use the Little Fatty?

Please keep the skin on top of the dickhead.

OK?

Posted by 128kbs on 02/02/2009, 12:46 PM
Hey... so, like, who likes to use the Little Fatty?

Please keep the skin on top of the dickhead.

OK?

Posted by 320Kbps on 02/02/2009, 12:53 PM
2009 is supposed to be the year of the good attitude. London and Berlin are incredible because the people aren't a bunch of shitty attitude, biased, anonymous message board posters and support all local talent. That is why everyone wants to get the eff out of here and go to Berlin, London ect.

Fools.

Posted by Tempo416 on 02/02/2009, 05:39 PM
I promote minimal house here in toronto,Tempo, and completely understand the frustration at our artists and talents not getting as much hype as the next cat who's gotten over in a relative short time frame but this whole gang mentality is really dumb. i have met, know or heard most of these artists work and while everything is definitely not my bag i can appreciate or understand the appeal to a wide group of people. most of these cats have been at it for years ie. barbi and it is fucking great to see any of our artists careers take off and i just can't understand for the life of me why anyone would be fucking angry over some ones success, it's absurd.

Also, Anna Von Frances fucking busts her ass in this city and is a fucking amazing promoter! As a promoter i know how fucking hard and thankless this job actually is and this fine woman deserves all the respect.

BOH!

Posted by get serious on 02/02/2009, 11:23 PM
hello toronto wake up if you think you will get to any results with a bunch of young kiddies trying to make electro-house-techno , you will always stay in the third row. the stuff our city listens to has been played in europe 3 years ago. so come on . what we need are some people who don't listen to electronica their first time in their life. we need some producers here who didn't just stumble the last half year across a laptop.

YOU REALLY NEED TO STOP TERRORIZING THESE MESSAGE BOARDS. YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND YOU PROBABLY CAN'T GET LAID...WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAY? SOME SELF-PROCLAIMED MUSIC CRITIC? WOW..YOU'RE SO SMART THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE...HOW CAN YOU EVEN ASSUME THAT ALL THESE PRODUCERS ARE KIDS AND JUST USE COMPUTERS? BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PRODUCERS HAVE BEEN PRODUCING FOR OVER A DECADE USING COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF HARDWARE AND NO COMPUTERS!!! YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!

Posted by wanker on 02/03/2009, 01:45 AM
It's maybe irrelevant of the sound, but I'm noticing an increasing confidence in people to let loose and party. I moved here from the UK 8 years ago and was shocked, yes shocked to find the level of dancefloor lethargy here. I'd go out to hear great DJing and the crowd was arms folded, just impress us, coupled with 905 body buiders. Now we're going out to dance, L

Let's just have a good time

Posted by THE HATERS HAVE PROBABLY RUN OUT OF DRUGS on 02/03/2009, 01:54 AM
YOU PEOPLE SHOULDN'T LISTEN TO THE HATERS. THEY ARE PROBABLY TOO OLD TO HAVE FUN ANYMORE OR ENJOY ANYTHING. THESE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY LEFTOVERS FROM THE NOW DEFUNCT "CHIN STROKING SCENE OF THE MID 90'S" ! THEY ARE LOSING THEIR HAIR FROM ALL THE DRUGS THEY DID IN THE 90'S! OR...THEY ARE STILL DOING LOTS OF DRUGS AND THEY RAN OUT OF THEIR CRYSTAL METH OR CRACK/COCAINE! THAT'S WHY THEY ALL THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BENJAMIN BOLES' JOB! AND THAT'S ALSO WHY THEY THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE ARTISTS MENTIONED HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE FAILED PRODUCERS OR SOMETHING! THERE ARE SOOOOOOOO MANY OF THEM!

Posted by get serious on 02/03/2009, 10:17 AM
toronto wake up....!!!!!!!!! here we are again. kids out there , wake up. all the stuff you repeat over and over and over again has been done in the 70s ,80s and 90s already. start to create your own identity . do whatever it takes. but don't go on copying. look what other cities do in the world. tokyo,berlin,paris........ they progress on. i don't want to feel i live under a bunch of copy -hipsters . so get up and use your brains.

Posted by GET SERIOUS KICKED OUT OF THIS MESSAGE BOARD on 02/03/2009, 03:20 PM
GET SERIOUS: no one cares about your rantings...what kind of progression do we all need anyway? more boring minimal techno and house..you wake up!! some people still like well written songs so... get the hell out of this message board..you are boring all of us! take another haul off that crackpipe of yours!

Posted by sick of it all on 02/03/2009, 04:01 PM
I agree with the comment above...for so many years the toronto electronic scene has been run by chin stroking elitists! There was no fun anymore at these parties...all the music just sounds the same and it makes me feel very very old! This new scene of kids remind me of the good old days when raves were fun and exciting! I don't even think these new wave of kids do as much drugs as we did back then...because there are so many producers involved in this new scene.

Toronto needs to wake up and appreciate these new producers! They are not going to raves partying hard and not getting any work done like back in the day. It's pretty obvious by how prolific some of these artists are like Loetech, Syntonics and Mansion.

Get Serious: you're a complete moron!

Posted by homophobe killah on 02/03/2009, 04:38 PM
what's with homophobic comment about Denise Benson?

is this really relevant to the article? did your girlfriend leave you for a hot lesbian?

maybe you should think about what you eat and how often you bathe and maybe some hot lesbian will find you attractive...:)

Posted by get serious on 02/03/2009, 05:07 PM
toronto wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!! montreal that"s my city.we have to admit we are all a bunch of uncreative copycats in this town. there is no real new stuff going on. ok what do expect from a bunch of bankerbrats. dear boardmembers,lets all pray for a better future with at least some inspiration that toronto could offer us next to bankers and wanna be dJs!!!!!!!!

Posted by get serious on 02/03/2009, 05:09 PM
toronto wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!! montreal that"s my city.we have to admit we are all a bunch of uncreative copycats in this town. there is no real new stuff going on. ok what do expect from a bunch of bankerbrats. dear boardmembers,lets all pray for a better future with at least some inspiration that toronto could offer us next to bankers and wanna be dJs!!!!!!!!

Posted by GET SERIOUS GO BACK TO MONTREAL on 02/03/2009, 05:42 PM
GET SERIOUS: GO BACK TO MONTREAL! WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE IN TORONTO....LAST TIME I CHECKED MONTREAL WAS TOO BUSY GETTING HIGH ALL THE TIME AND NOT WORKING MUCH BECAUSE OF THEIR CHEAP RENT!

THE LAST TIME I WAS IN MONTREAL, I ALMOST FELL ASLEEP IT WAS SO BORING! TORONTO HAS THE LIFE THAT MONTREAL USED TO HAVE! DON'T GET ME WRONG..MONTREAL IS A BEAUTIFUL CITY...BUT LAST TIME I WAS THERE I WAS BORED TO ALL HELL...SERIOULY..YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT MONTREAL CAN COMPETE WITH OUR SCENE? HOW COME THE PEER PRESSURE PARTIES ARE MOVING HERE NOW? HUH?

Posted by PEER PRESSURE PARTIES on 02/03/2009, 06:35 PM
PEER PRESSURE PARTIES!!!!!!!!! hello we are a bunch of dady -sponsored brats droppin our weekly e .whats cool about this???????? see b-members the real party is going on somewhere else.

Posted by OH SERIOUSLY on 02/04/2009, 01:36 AM
This hate and put-on attitude is ridiculous. Look, hit up any party with the acts mentioned in this piece and the vibe is fun as hell with people completely into the material, dancing hard as shit. THAT is what I've been missing in town, vs. flaccid dance music as background for mating calls, or experimental shit nobody dances to. Oh, and I've been listening to (if not playing live) house music since '90, so you folks who want to big up your cred and talk like you've seen it all, y'all can stuff it as far as I'm concerned. What's been happening here in town has had me more excited about dance (and dancing harder) than in a real long time, and you know what? That's ALL that matters to me. If you have a problem with Now for being late to this party, fine. If you feel left out because your buddy's live PA act didn't specifically get a nod, fine. But don't you sit there behind a keyboard and talk smack about people who want nothing more to see this city represented, who put the time in, and pack floors. Your hating, in the face of all that, barely amounts to pissing in the wind.

Posted by Tony D on 02/04/2009, 11:44 AM
Sure...whoever was posting about this sound being three years ago was spot on. Obviously it's the artists responding in the last few posts to save face, all understandable but really guys - electro/trance is in its bloated glory stage now and we all know what happens when a particular music hits that level. The crash and backlash is closer than you think. Enjoy the last moments...

Ps> If Now was really following what most trendsetting/tastemaking media sources were touting as the next shit that would be....yes....Disco. Do some research. Maybe the weblinks they were reading to figure this out were from 2004 or something.

Not fucking electro. Jesus, can you sound like more of a hick paper?

Posted by xuyxuiyxo0 on 02/04/2009, 11:49 AM
I'd bet the farm that the last posts in CAPS are from Barbi

Posted by xuyxuiyxo0 on 02/04/2009, 11:55 AM
I'd bet the farm that the last posts in CAPS are from Barbi

Posted by c on 02/04/2009, 01:00 PM
I've noticed a lot of hatred towards Crystal Castles, saying that the Toronto scene is in trouble because they're considered the high-water mark here. Ironically enough, it's other scenes, and people in other cities, that have elevated the band to the place where they're at today. Toronto had nothing to do with it, and for the most part, they're not really liked here, by anyone at all.

So, you idiots, stop holding Toronto responsible for the success of Crystal Castles, and try making the definable cities you highlight and hold us up to, like NYC or London, directly accountable instead--considering they've made more of a legitimate name for themselves over there than here.

Posted by OH SERIOUSLY on 02/04/2009, 04:08 PM
C, you're spot-on. Crystal Castles was getting overseas buzz before many Toronto folks had heard of them, so blaming some kind of mythical Toronto boosterism cabal for their ascent is utterly inane.

Of course, we now see exactly the same thing playing out with newer Canadian dark disco acts, like that one from B.C. that gets mad UK mag love and next to no press here. It's like we never learn ... that, or we're all just so cool and above it all that "local" remains a four letter word, unless it's an breathy indie-folk-rock group w/ an album cover that features knitting or pictures of little birds. When will people open their eyes, can the hate, and just enjoy music?

Posted by BARBI on 02/04/2009, 04:33 PM
by the way...that last post in CAPS was not me...i have nothing to hide..and no reason to hide behind a screen name...thanks to everyone that stuck up for me...i read everything and tried to ignore this message board since i first saw it on friday...

Posted by kevinruairi on 02/04/2009, 05:18 PM
The problem is that Toronto doesnt have any defining sound that sets it apart from any other urban metropolis. Yeah maybe it has good clubs, good producers, but there's nothing collectively that defines the music coming out of the distinct history and culture of the city (probably because it doesnt really have one). Detroit gave techno, Chicago gave house, New York gave garage, Miami gave Miami Bass, Baltimore gave... Baltimore, London gave dubstep (and grime, and 2-step, and jungle, etc etc), Bristol gave trip-hop, Berlin gave minimal - what can Toronto give other than copying other sounds from other cities? Can it actually generate a new genre, or is it destined to forever be tailing behind?

Montreal does pretty well with stuff like Constellation Records, thats a globally recognised unique enough sound (yes I know its not dance music), and defines the city quite well. What does Toronto have?

This article in Now didnt provide much answers, to be honest.

Posted by OH SERIOUSLY on 02/04/2009, 09:29 PM
The problem is that if Toronto did have a defining sound, it would be shat on mercilessly by local snobs, or ignored.

Posted by Tempo416 on 02/04/2009, 10:03 PM
If you don't like it, stay away from it, it's pretty simple. there are plenty of good scenes that can use all this useless energy c'mon!

Posted by this is pathetic on 02/04/2009, 10:21 PM
What's with all the negativity? There's some twisted shit going on this message board. I think that some of these artists may have been misrepresented. For one thing, this mix that Mario J. did does not include all the artists. There is a Deadmau5 track and a Hatiras/Jelo track. All 3 of these producers are not on this list but they are on the mix. Also there isn't a Loetech, Pilot Priest or TMDP track on the mix. There isn't a Syntonics production either only a remix that Edu k. did featuring their vocals. I think it's unfair to judge these producers based on a mix. I suggest you people dig a bit deeper into what some of these artists are doing. Maybe you'll find something you like. I certainly don't hear any electro/trance here.

Posted by zilal on 02/04/2009, 11:51 PM
i just want some goddamned pizza

Posted by Anna Von Frances on 02/05/2009, 01:18 PM
Wow,

i haven't been back here since I left that message last week. i had no idea it got this out of control. fantastic!

I couldn't be more proud of DJs in Toronto after reading this! When I left here in the 90s for NYC and then Europe, I was bored to tears by Toronto. I promised myself I would never come back. The self-hate and constant comparison to other cities, that couldn't give a shit (all mentioned above) was grinding me to a creative halt. Back then it was even more fractured, even more spiteful.

About a year ago, a lot of the people who work in the club community (and I'm talking overall here, not just a west end thing) started to notice that big out of town acts were not drawing the same anymore. that people were starting to spend 5 bones on locals instead because they were guaranteed a good time. So many out of towners were hit or miss, the people just stopped going as much. Of course that's not a sweeping catch-all statement (as in plenty of international shows did well), so relax.

For the first time ever, I was proud to be here, musically speaking--I've always been proud of the food, women, and festivals.

I don't need to give you my resume, (there is boat loads of misinformation from the comments above about the producers listed in the article, and that misinformation speaks for itself) but i will tell you this: i've worked in dance music all the western world for 11 years now and i've hated almost all of it for that time. the last electronic music album i bought was esg: a south bronx story. And this, this right here, this is the first time in the 15 years on and off I've lived in this gorgeously rich city that I have ever seen people supporting their own like this. I mean shit, brian and barbi are about ready to cut you for saying shit about OTHER ARTISTS yo!

we will never get forward comparing ourselves to other cities we see as better. and how do you plan on fostering these producers into something you can be proud of, if all you do is criticize and smack them down the second they get anything?

there isn't an artist on here who hasn't worked hard as fuck to get anything. and they have to hustle in the face of your bullshit every day. canadians and torontonians especially are tough and creative and open-minded people (and let's face it, we're pretty damn good in the sack as well), and you should be fiercely proud of anyone who gets positive recognition for that.

Do you think that the artists on the lists like EVERY track the other artists put out? Hell no. But at least they have enough class to respect them for it.

The fact that so many people in this rant feel that there are THAT many local artists that should have been on this list,but weren't (even though not many names have been mentioned) is something to be proud of in itself.

And finally, I couldn't be more proud to be included in this group of people you have shit on so liberally (again, without providing names of who you would put in there place as so many have pointed out). these people are representing our city internationally, whether you like it or not. They support each other, and they support Toronto, even in the face of all your hate, they still get up there and declare it like a badge of fucking honor. Interviews. Those damn blue jays hats. wearing clothes by local designers, claiming toronto bars are their fav's in articles internationally etc. etc.

And that is something I sure as hell can get behind.

Sidenote: I left my website up there in the first post because I thought that I would get direct emails, but no one did.

info@pinkmafia.ca is the general box, but it's hooked to my berry. Pink Mafia office: 416.929.3890

I am there 14 hours a day on average. And I would be happy to receive names of people you think should be getting more love in Toronto, I am always always searching for new talent to promote in the city or hook up with another promoter if i don't have anything that fits.

Posted by cryogenetic on 02/05/2009, 02:50 PM
this "get serious" dude is out of his mind..he is just posting the same comment everywhere....i have been using hardware since the mid 90's and have produced over 20 albums with strictly hardware equipment...i used to sell cassette tapes of my productions in the 90's at speed records on queen st..as well i performed many live p.a.'s with an 808, hardware sequencer and synths in the 90's at "evil robo" parties(kitchener) and later on at "electric workers" parties at the manhattan club in toronto....but apparently i just got a laptop half a year ago??!!do your homework "get serious"?you need a smack in the head... my entire back catalog is coming to electrobounce.com very soon on syntonics label intellegenix...

INTELLEGENIX RELEASES



1. SYNTONICS-"RMX-KLX"
2. INTELLEGENIX-COMP. 1
3. CRYOGENETIC-"LAST GLANCE"
4. INTELLEGENIX- COMP. 2 PREVIEW E.P.
5. CRYOGENETIC-"ELECTRO RD."
6. SYNTONICS-"VERB SYNTHESIS"
7. CRYOGENETIC-"FREEZE FRAMES"
8. CRYOGENETIC-"INSIDE YOU"
9. CRYOGENETIC-"DISCHARGE"
10. CRYOGENETIC-"Q-STUN"
11. SYNTONICS-"NEXUS REALITY"
12. CRYOGENETIC-"SIGMUND"
13. DRUG SNIFFIN' DOGZ-"NOSEY NIGGAZ"
14. CRYOGENETIC-"SIDETRACKED"
15. CRYOGENETIC-"LIVE SEXXX"
16. CRYOGENETIC-"PT. 3"
17. CRYOGENETIC-"SKEPTICAL"
18. CRYOGENETIC-"PT. 2"
19. Q*BIX-"Q*BEATS"
20. DATUS- "PAST THE PRESENT"
21. SYSTEMATIC- "ELECTRO NEMISIS"
22. DARK ALLIANCE-"SATELLITE COMMUNICATION"
23. VARIOUS ARTIST UNRELEASED
24. DATUS-"CRYOGENETIC PT. 1"

Posted by CS on 02/05/2009, 06:17 PM
So, I unfortunately don't have the time in my day to read through this thread of bickering, but I will respond to the two comments published in this weeks NOW regarding the future sound of toronto. 1) by Anna Von Frances & 2) Justin V

It is going a little too far to say that Toronto shit on their own. House and Electro have been around for a long time but only recently have emerged into the main stream and gotten the attention it deserves/lack of.

The Guvernment was always a house scene amongst a few other clubs, (until the recent invasion of z1035 turning it into a top 40 scene, though the gallery still thrives). And just that seems to have happened to the electro/house scene of toronto. Too many hipsters jumped on the bandwagon and think they know something about it or just go along with it because it HAS become the scene. HOUSE/ELECTRO is becoming top40.

These artists mentioned have been around for a while, and where did most of them get there start?? Definitely not at CiRCA.

I remember seeing many of the listed acts at Guvernment before anyone even knew who they were. Respect to them, they are doing big things and will continue to do big things. Many of us have consumed electronica and house way before the rest of canadians started too--way before indie at the horseshoe was even big. (mind you still rocks- lets not bash the shoe)

& there are MANY more unlisted DJ's who are the NEXT big thing, because as far as i'm concerned, majority of the artists that are listed here as supposedly the FUTURE sound of toronto are in fact already YESTERDAYS SOUND.

The only ones on that list that have even a chance of becoming world renowned would have to be DEADMAU5 because, well look at what he's already done for himself. He's LEGIT. In it for the long run, up there with tiesto. The rest? OLD NEWS. good day.

Posted by BARBI on 02/05/2009, 07:59 PM
Electro (electro-boogie, electro-funk)[1] is a genre of electronic music directly influenced by the use of TR-808[2] and funk records.[3][4] Records in the genre typically have electronic sounds and some vocals are delivered in a deadpan, mechanical manner, often through a vocoder or other electronic distortion.

Electro is an artistic musical form in the wide world of electronic music culture. With few exceptions, the definition of the electro sound is the use of drum machines as the rhythmic base of a track. Rhythm patterns tend to be electronic emulations of breakbeats, with syncopated kick drums, and usually a snare or clap accenting the downbeat. The definition however is somewhat ambiguous in nature due to the various use of the term[5].

Staccato, percussive rhythms dominate electro, with beats often provided by the Roland TR-808 drum machine. The TR-808, created in 1980, has an immediately recognizable sound, and remains popular in electro and other genres to the present day. Other electro instrumentation is generally all-electronic, favoring analog synthesis, funk-style bass lines, sequenced or arpeggiated synthetic riffs, and atonal sound effects all created with synthesizers. Heavy use of effects such as reverbs, delays, chorus or phasers along with synthetic ensemble strings or pad sounds emphasize the common science fiction or futuristic theme of the lyrics and/or music. Most electro is instrumental, but a common element is vocals processed through a vocoder. Additionally, speech synthesis may be used to create robotic or mechanical lyrical content. Some earlier electro features rapping, but that lyrical style has become less popular in the genre from the 1990s onward.

Electro music was pioneered by the German musical group Kraftwerk, in the mid 1970s[6]. Following the decline of disco music in the late 1970s, various electro-funk artists such as Zapp & Roger began experimenting with vocoders and the use of heavier, more distinctive beats. This style held little resemblence to that of Kraftwerk. In 1982, Bronx based producer Afrika Bambaataa released the seminal track "Planet Rock", which contained elements of Kraftwerk's Trans-Europe Express and "Numbers" (from Kraftwerk's Computer World album).[1].

In 1983, Hashim (Jerry Calliste Jr) who created the influential electro funk tune "Al-Naafiysh (The Soul)" which became Cutting Record's first release in November of 1983[7]. At the time Hashim was influenced by Man Parrish's "Hip Hop Be Bop", Thomas Dolby's "She Blinded Me With Science" and Afrika Bambaataa's "Planet Rock" [8]. Also in 1983, Herbie Hancock, in collaboration with Grand Mixer DXT, released the hit single Rockit.

Bambaataa and groups like Planet Patrol, Jonzun Crew, Mantronix, Newcleus and Juan Atkins' Detroit-based group Cybotron went on to influence the genres of Detroit techno, ghettotech, breakbeat, drum and bass and electroclash. Early producers in the electro genre (notably Arthur Baker[9], John Robie, Shep Pettibone, and the Latin Rascals) featured prominently in the Latin Freestyle (or simply "Freestyle") movement. By the late 1980s, the genre had parted from its initial funk influences. Baker and Pettibone enjoyed robust careers well into the house era, and both eluded the "genre trap" to successfully produce mainstream artists.[10]

Although the early 1980s were electro's heyday in the mainstream, it enjoyed renewed popularity in the late 1990s with artists such as Drexciya, Anthony Rother, DMX Krew, Mr Velcro Fastener and Dopplereffekt and DJs such as Dave Clarke. The continued interest in electro, though influenced to a great degree by Detroit, Miami, Los Angeles and New York styles, has primarily taken hold in Europe with electro club nights becoming commonplace again. The scene still manages to support hundreds of electro labels, from the disco electro of Clone Records, to the b-boy style of Breakin' Records, and the electrofunk of Citinite.

A new branch of electro, Skweee, has risen over the last couple of years from Nordic countries such as Sweden and Finland, hence its first name "Scandinavian Funk". The outlets and artists of Skweee are still mostly limited to the Nordic countries.

Posted by BARBI on 02/05/2009, 08:23 PM
....sorry ..i forgot to credit the Wikipedia for the above post...

Posted by get serious on 02/05/2009, 08:59 PM
toronto wake up!!!!!!!!!!! thanks people.since everybody is jumping on his little defence-horse we feel just reaffirmed that something has to be done in our clubscene. no wanna-becools anymore, no uniforms, no copycats (yes you also INTELLEGENIX), lets just create slowly but surely our own identity. what this is gonna be..... i think the creatives under this crowd know what i mean will show. thanks everybody for participating in this discussion and cheers good morning (uh the club closes already so early...)

Posted by get serious on 02/05/2009, 09:14 PM
toronto wake up!!!!!!!!!!! thanks people.since everybody is jumping on his little defence-horse we feel just reaffirmed that something has to be done in our clubscene. no wanna-becools anymore, no uniforms, no copycats (yes you also INTELLEGENIX), lets just create slowly but surely our own identity. what this is gonna be..... i think the creatives under this crowd know what i mean will show. thanks everybody for participating in this discussion and cheers good morning (uh the club closes already so early...)

Posted by Get it right on 02/05/2009, 10:47 PM
Hey Anna Von frances, ESG made their music with live instruments in the early 80s and can hardly be classified as 'Electronic Music' (ps. nobody uses that term). That alone sums up how little you know about this topic (despite having the longest comments in this section)

Posted by whatever on 02/06/2009, 12:18 AM
I think this Get Serious character really needs some attention. He/she certainly got yours.

sociopath, impotence, unemployed perhaps? bored?

Some people get off on playing with other people's confidence.

I bet you this person lurks behind all kinds of message boards of different a nature. Maybe this is what this person does in his/her spare time. Just watching and checking on the reaction that his/her comments get.

Maybe next time think twice before you decide to get on a message board. Some of you have wasted too much energy. This Get Serious person is obviously sick.

Posted by whatever on 02/06/2009, 12:38 AM
I think this Get Serious character really needs some attention. He/she certainly got yours.

sociopath, impotence, unemployed perhaps? bored?

Some people get off on playing with other people's confidence.

I bet you this person lurks behind all kinds of message boards of different a nature. Maybe this is what this person does in his/her spare time. Just watching and checking on the reaction that his/her comments get.

Maybe next time think twice before you decide to get on a message board. Some of you have wasted too much energy. This Get Serious person is obviously sick.

Posted by whatever on 02/06/2009, 12:38 AM
I think this Get Serious character really needs some attention. He/she certainly got yours.

sociopath, impotence, unemployed perhaps? bored?

Some people get off on playing with other people's confidence.

I bet you this person lurks behind all kinds of message boards of different a nature. Maybe this is what this person does in his/her spare time. Just watching and checking on the reaction that his/her comments get.

Maybe next time think twice before you decide to get on a message board. Some of you have wasted too much energy. This Get Serious person is obviously sick.

Posted by AVF on 02/06/2009, 11:51 AM
Dear Get It Right,

Out of all that I said up there, the best you can do is "ESG made music with instruments" I'm aware of the entire history of the "four sisters from the bronx" the clubs they played, how ufo is the most sampled song in hip hop to date, that it was a b side created on the fly blah blah blah.

Maybe I should have said "dance music", is there a term you would prefer I use? and come to think of it, I do own Pretty Hate Machine, which was made with a lot of synths. Does it count as dance music though? I'm not really sure. Maybe I should get you to come over and give me a lesson on the history of music. Clearly, I'm doing a really shitty job with what I already know.

Again, 416.929.3890 is my office. Still waiting for the call with the list of people we should be working with.

Posted by FU on 02/06/2009, 01:05 PM
could have done better AVF, but you were spared... could of went on about the Grunge era reference, your non history in the scene, etc but why bother? Everyone on the inside knows you are a loud mouth

Posted by FU on 02/06/2009, 01:23 PM
could have done better AVF, but you were spared... could of went on about the Grunge era reference, your non history in the scene, etc but why bother? Everyone on the inside knows you are a loud mouth

Posted by Jeffrey on 02/08/2009, 09:54 AM
Come on now, no name calling. In reference to the mix, i agree. I listened to it and thought... i am not apart of this sound. Seems even the future has a fringe. W/evs, im happy to be it.

Posted by Elise on 02/10/2009, 08:52 PM
The hatred is all in response to the feelings of alienation. Electro isn't understood in this city? Did you guys understand MSTRKRFT? If you didn't, it's okay - the rest of the world did.

I think it's a bit of an ego thing as well - "why are these people 'The Future'? My cousin works his ass off and his shit is unique! These people are just catering to a 'trendy' scene! They all sound the same!"

Listen, the proper mechanisms of a particular music scene depend on a collective of similar sounding artists. This is where some artists run into a wall - buying too heavily into the notion that one has to sound 'completely unique'. I once read a music industry-related article - to quote.."make your oranges orange, not blue - nobody buys blue oranges".

If each of those artists listed had a definitive, unique sound...they would not work together as an emerging body of Toronto representation.

And, for the record..I do think we have our own sound. For instance; We don't quite sound like Paris and/or the notable "Ed Banger Records"..but we are similar enough to be played side by side. Maybe that's just my observation.

The article works as a solid presentation. People at NOW have deadlines.

Learn how things work, I guess.

Posted by Toronto Rocks on 02/11/2009, 05:20 PM
Haha. This article is basically the continuation of the Death of the Hipster article. So funny that after proclaiming hipsters dead, NOW goes off and declares a bunch of hipster acts the Future Sound of Toronto. Well then, it seems the future sound of Toronto is already dead. I admit Vitamins for you, Egyptrixxx, Loetech and TMDP aren't really hipsters so they get a pass, but Mansion, Autoerotique, Nacho Lovers, Sta and Pilotpriest are. If you play Randomland at Circa, a Pink Mafia jam or at Wrongbar or Social, sorry but you're in the hipster scene. Syntonics get a pass because Barbi & Cyro have been around forever and I like em.

Also, here's another question, how many electronic acts in toronto actually make serious $$$. Hmm, let's see. MSTRKRFT for sure, but they'll probably move to LA, Miami or Berlin soon. Crystal Castles probably, but they better save their money because their days are numbered. Fritz Helder and the Phantoms have their Nelly Furtado $$$ and if they tone down the gayness they might have a pop crossover hit sooner or later. Thunderheist probably make a bit of money. Deadmaus makes coin, but his drug habit is pretty bad so he'll probably OD some time soon.

As for Anna Von Frances there isn't a bandwagon she wont hump on, literally. Forget her resume, check out her dating history, it's like a musical landscape of the Canadian music scene.

But she does have a point, I've never seen Torontonians this hyped about local music before, and we have people like Anna to thank for that. It's not just the musicians, but the promoters and club-owners who created the scene and the environment that allows local acts to grow and prosper. Check out the Drugmoney blog, they just released a mix of local acts that played Fuckfaces shows, the number of acts on the list who played their first shows for DM is impressive.

If Electronic Dance Music isn't your thing and you're a Wavelength indie snob, what's the point of hating? I'm just worried a bit because the entire mixed format thing seems to be coming to an end -- it was where indie kids learned to dance to The Rapture -- now things are becoming more rigid again, and a lot of genre specific nights -- i.e. house only on vinyl are popping up all over the place. But it was bound to happen -- if I had to hear another banger mash-up I'd probably shoot myself.

Forget about the travesty that was nu-rave, forget the hipster bullshit, Toronto has a ton of talented producers and its become a super-competitive place, where you have to pick up your game if u want to get to the top. This summer Toronto will explode, the funny thing is most people in the city probably wont notice until the acts who blown up have moved to Berlin.

Posted by Toronto Rocks on 02/11/2009, 05:22 PM
Haha. This article is basically the continuation of the Death of the Hipster article. So funny that after proclaiming hipsters dead, NOW goes off and declares a bunch of hipster acts the Future Sound of Toronto. Well then, it seems the future sound of Toronto is already dead. I admit Vitamins for you, Egyptrixxx, Loetech and TMDP aren't really hipsters so they get a pass, but Mansion, Autoerotique, Nacho Lovers, Sta and Pilotpriest are. If you play Randomland at Circa, a Pink Mafia jam or at Wrongbar or Social, sorry but you're in the hipster scene. Syntonics get a pass because Barbi & Cyro have been around forever and I like em.

Also, here's another question, how many electronic acts in toronto actually make serious $$$. Hmm, let's see. MSTRKRFT for sure, but they'll probably move to LA, Miami or Berlin soon. Crystal Castles probably, but they better save their money because their days are numbered. Fritz Helder and the Phantoms have their Nelly Furtado $$$ and if they tone down the gayness they might have a pop crossover hit sooner or later. Thunderheist probably make a bit of money. Deadmaus makes coin, but his drug habit is pretty bad so he'll probably OD some time soon.

As for Anna Von Frances there isn't a bandwagon she wont hump on, literally. Forget her resume, check out her dating history, it's like a musical landscape of the Canadian music scene.

But she does have a point, I've never seen Torontonians this hyped about local music before, and we have people like Anna to thank for that. It's not just the musicians, but the promoters and club-owners who created the scene and the environment that allows local acts to grow and prosper. Check out the Drugmoney blog, they just released a mix of local acts that played Fuckfaces shows, the number of acts on the list who played their first shows for DM is impressive.

If Electronic Dance Music isn't your thing and you're a Wavelength indie snob, what's the point of hating? I'm just worried a bit because the entire mixed format thing seems to be coming to an end -- it was where indie kids learned to dance to The Rapture -- now things are becoming more rigid again, and a lot of genre specific nights -- i.e. house only on vinyl are popping up all over the place. But it was bound to happen -- if I had to hear another banger mash-up I'd probably shoot myself.

Forget about the travesty that was nu-rave, forget the hipster bullshit, Toronto has a ton of talented producers and its become a super-competitive place, where you have to pick up your game if u want to get to the top. This summer Toronto will explode, the funny thing is most people in the city probably wont notice until the acts who blown up have moved to Berlin.

Posted by Toronto Rocks on 02/11/2009, 05:29 PM
Haha. This article is basically the continuation of the Death of the Hipster article. So funny that after proclaiming hipsters dead, NOW goes off and declares a bunch of hipster acts the Future Sound of Toronto. Well then, it seems the future sound of Toronto is already dead. I admit Vitamins for you, Egyptrixxx, Loetech and TMDP aren't really hipsters so they get a pass, but Mansion, Autoerotique, Nacho Lovers, Sta and Pilotpriest are. If you play Randomland at Circa, a Pink Mafia jam or at Wrongbar or Social, sorry but you're in the hipster scene. Syntonics get a pass because Barbi & Cyro have been around forever and I like em.

Also, here's another question, how many electronic acts in toronto actually make serious $$$. Hmm, let's see. MSTRKRFT for sure, but they'll probably move to LA, Miami or Berlin soon. Crystal Castles probably, but they better save their money because their days are numbered. Fritz Helder and the Phantoms have their Nelly Furtado $$$ and if they tone down the gayness they might have a pop crossover hit sooner or later. Thunderheist probably make a bit of money. Deadmaus makes coin, but his drug habit is pretty bad so he'll probably OD some time soon.

As for Anna Von Frances there isn't a bandwagon she wont hump on, literally. Forget her resume, check out her dating history, it's like a musical landscape of the Canadian music scene.

But she does have a point, I've never seen Torontonians this hyped about local music before, and we have people like Anna to thank for that. It's not just the musicians, but the promoters and club-owners who created the scene and the environment that allows local acts to grow and prosper. Check out the Drugmoney blog, they just released a mix of local acts that played Fuckfaces shows, the number of acts on the list who played their first shows for DM is impressive.

If Electronic Dance Music isn't your thing and you're a Wavelength indie snob, what's the point of hating? I'm just worried a bit because the entire mixed format thing seems to be coming to an end -- it was where indie kids learned to dance to The Rapture -- now things are becoming more rigid again, and a lot of genre specific nights -- i.e. house only on vinyl are popping up all over the place. But it was bound to happen -- if I had to hear another banger mash-up I'd probably shoot myself.

Forget about the travesty that was nu-rave, forget the hipster bullshit, Toronto has a ton of talented producers and its become a super-competitive place, where you have to pick up your game if u want to get to the top. This summer Toronto will explode, the funny thing is most people in the city probably wont notice until the acts who blown up have moved to Berlin.

Posted by barbi on 02/12/2009, 12:54 AM
i just noticed this very futile comment by ANNY MOANUS

"who mentioned you barbie? a little touchy now aren't we? you're talking like you've been around since it all began here, truth be said no one knew your name a few years ago. Homework ... ha

s h u t u p . . . "

....interesting...i guess that you're the only one on this message board that didn't do their homework seeing that many people on here know about my credible past in the music industry...

where were you in '92/'93? i know where i was...playing raves for Destiny, Dose, Nitrous and Liquid Adrenaline as part of early 90's techno/rave group "POSITRONIC BRAIN" ..not to mention my Deep House project in '91, "Dante" , which spurned 12inch releases from Radikal Record (Belgium)....

it's so funny how some people just love to listen to themselves talk.....

Posted by clean as a whistle on 03/08/2009, 04:06 PM
everyone needs to hold hands and take a big shit. you will feel so much better.

Posted by Wayne on 03/12/2009, 11:47 PM
Funniest thing is that Crystal Castles are actually really good, it seems that everyone here is just seething with jealousy. It was a great idea to mix punk with Daft Punk and you can't appreciate it because they're from our hometown.

Posted by Wayne on 03/13/2009, 12:32 AM
Funniest thing is that Crystal Castles are actually really good, it seems that everyone here is just seething with jealousy. It was a great idea to mix punk with Daft Punk and you can't appreciate it because they're from our hometown.

Posted by Wayne on 03/13/2009, 01:33 AM
Funniest thing is that Crystal Castles are actually really good, it seems that everyone here is just seething with jealousy. It was a great idea to mix punk with Daft Punk and you can't appreciate it because they're from our hometown.

Posted by Wayne on 03/13/2009, 03:08 AM
Funniest thing is that Crystal Castles are actually really good, it seems that everyone here is just seething with jealousy. It was a great idea to mix punk with Daft Punk and you can't appreciate it because they're from our hometown.

Posted by Sofonda Cox on 07/02/2009, 09:38 AM
I love Crystal Castles and they are much loved here in the U.S. But everyone agrees, they're brats.

Posted by Clive on 07/06/2009, 01:33 PM
Crystal Castles are the best thing out of Canada since Neil Young. They are the biggest cult band in my town and it's a shame to see jealous fools in their own hometown disrespecting them in these comments! Crystal Castles for life.

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